How The Octaves of Experiences Are Generated Before and After The Veiling Process

How The Octaves of Experiences Are Generated Before and After The Veiling Process

The Law of One, Book IV, Session 82

Questioner: I would like to consider the condition at a time or position just prior to the beginning of this octave of experience. 

I am assuming that, just prior to the beginning of this octave, intelligent infinity had created and already experienced one or more previous octaves. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You assume correctly. 

However, the phrase would more informatively read, infinite intelligence had experienced previous octaves.

Questioner: Does Ra have any knowledge of the number of previous octaves; if so, how many?

Ra: I am Ra. As far as we are aware we are in an infinite creation

There is no counting.

Questioner: That’s what I thought you might say. 

Am I correct in assuming that at the beginning of this octave, out of what I would call a void of space, seeds of an infinite number of galactic systems such as the Milky Way Galaxy appeared and grew in spiral fashion simultaneously?

Ra: I am Ra. There are duple areas of potential confusion

Firstly, let us say that the basic concept is reasonably well-stated. 

Now we address the confusions

The nature of true simultaneity is such that, indeed, all is simultaneous

However, in your modes of perception you would perhaps more properly view the seeding of the creation as that of growth from the center or core outward

The second confusion lies in the term, ‘void’. 

We would substitute the noun, ‘plenum’.

Questioner: Then, if I were observing the beginning of the octave at that time through a telescope, say from this position, would I see the center of many, many galaxies appearing and each of them then spreading outward in a spiraling fashion over what we would consider billions of years, but the spirals spreading outward in approximately what we would consider the same rate so that all these galaxies began as the first speck of light at the same time and then spread out at roughly the same rate? 

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The query has confusing elements

There is a center to infinity. 

From this center all spreads


there are centers to the creation
to the galaxies, 
to star systems, 
to planetary systems, and 
to consciousness. 

In each case you may see growth from the center outward

Thus you may see your query as being over-general in concept.

Questioner: Considering only our Milky Way Galaxy at its beginnings, I will assume that the first occurrence that we could find with our physical apparatus was the appearance of a star of the nature of our sun. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. 

In the case of the galactic systems 
the first manifestation of the Logos is a cluster of central systems which generate the outward swirling energies producing, in their turn, further energy centers for the Logos or what you would call stars.

Questioner: Are these central original creations or clusters what we call stars?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct

However, the closer to the, shall we say, beginning of the manifestation of the Logos the star is, the more it partakes in the one original thought.

Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? 

That’s the way I understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the one infinite Creator

The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator

As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself, into that plenum full of the glory and the power of the one infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space

Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free willto choose methods of knowing Itself

Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought

The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

Questioner: What was the form, condition, or experience of the first division of consciousness that occurred at the beginning of this octave at the beginning of this galactic experience?

Ra: I am Ra. We touch upon previous material.

The harvest of the previous octave, was the Creator of Love manifested in mind, body, and spirit.

This form of the Creator experiencing Itself may perhaps be said to be the first division.

Questioner: I was interested specifically in how this very first division showed up in this octave.

I was interested to know if it made the transition through first, second, third, fourth, etc. densities?

I would like to take the first mind/body/spirit complexes and trace their experience from the very start to the present so that I could better understand the condition that we are in now by comparing it with this original growth.

Could you please tell me precisely how this came about as to the formation of the planets and growth through the densities, if that is the way it happened, please?

Ra: I am Ra. Your queries seem more confused than your basic mental distortions in this area.

Let us speak in general and perhaps you may find a less confused and more simple method of eliciting information in this area.

A very great deal of creation was manifested without the use of the concepts involved in consciousness, as you know it.

The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified, the Logos being the one great heart of creation.

The process of evolution through this period, which may be seen to be timeless, is most valuable to take into consideration, for it is against the background of this essential unity of the fabric of creation that we find the ultimate development of the Logoi which chose to use that portion of the harvested consciousness of the Creator to move forward with the process of knowledge of self.

As it had been found to be efficient to use the various densities, which are fixed in each octave, in order to create conditions in which self-conscious sub-Logoi could exist, this was carried out throughout the growing flower-strewn field, as your simile suggests, of the one infinite creation.

The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex.

The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular.

There was no third-density forgetting.

There was no veil.

The lessons of third density
are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density.

Questioner: Am I correct, then, in assuming the first mind/body/spirit experiences, as this galaxy progressed in growth, were those that moved through the densities; that is, the process we have discussed coming out of second density.

For instance, let us take a particular planet, one of the very early planets formed near the center of the galaxy.

I will assume that
the planet solidified during the first density, that  
life appeared in second density, and that  
all of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density progressed out of second-density on that planet and evolved in third density

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is hypothetically correct.

Questioner: Did this in fact happen on some of the planets or on a large percentage of the planets near the center of this galaxy in this way?

Ra: I am Ra. Our knowledge is limited.

We know of the beginning but cannot asseverate to the precise experiences of those things occurring before us.

You know the nature of historical teaching.

At our level of learn/teaching we may expect little distortion.

However, we cannot, with surety, say there is no distortion as we speak of specific occurrences of which we were not consciously a part.

It is our understanding that your supposition is correct.

Thus we so hypothesize.

Questioner: Specifically, I am trying to grasp an understanding of the process of experience in third density before the veil so that I can better understand the present process.

As I understand, it the mind/body/spirits went through the process of what we call physical incarnation in this density but there was no forgetting.

What was the benefit or purpose of the physical incarnation when there was no forgetting?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of incarnation in third density is to learn the ways of love.

Questioner: I guess I didn’t state that exactly right.

What I mean is, since there was no forgetting, since the mind/body/spirits had, in what we call the physical incarnation, their full consciousness, they knew the same thing that they would know while not in the physical incarnation.

What was the mechanism of teaching that taught the ways of love in the third-density physical prior to the forgetting process?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask your permission to answer this query in an oblique fashion as we perceive an area in which we might be of aid.

Questioner: Certainly.

Ra: I am Ra. Your queries seem to be pursuing the possibility/probability that the mechanisms of experience in third density are different if a mind/body/spirit is attempting them rather than a mind/body/spirit complex.

The nature of third density is constant.

Its ways are to be learned the same now and ever.

Thusly, no matter what form the entity facing these lessons, the lessons and mechanisms are the same.

The Creator will learn from Itself.

Each entity has unmanifest portions of learning and, most importantly, learning which is involved with other-selves.

Questioner: Then prior to the forgetting process there was no concept of anything but service-to-others polarization.

What sort of societies and experiences in third-density were created and evolved in this condition?

Ra: I am Ra. It is our perception that such conditions created the situation of a most pallid experiential nexus in which lessons were garnered with the relative speed of the turtle to the cheetah.

Questioner: Did such societies evolve with technologies of a complex nature, or did they remain quite simple?

Can you give me a general idea of the evolvement that would be a function of what we would call intellectual activity?

Ra: I am Ra. There is infinite diversity in societies under any circumstances.

There were many highly technologically advanced societies which grew due to the ease of producing any desired result.

When one dwells within what might be seen to be a state of constant potential inspiration, that which even the most highly sophisticated, in your terms, societal structure lacked, given the noncomplex nature of its entities, was what you might call will or, to use a more plebeian term, gusto, or élan vital.

Questioner: Did such technological societies evolve travel through what we call space to other planets or other planetary systems?

Did some of them do this?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment.

The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation.

All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization.

There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over.

It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.

Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it.

What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirits at that time?

Why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition.

Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex.

There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self.

The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord.

The security is total.

no love is terribly important;
no pain terribly frightening; 
no effort,

is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

Questioner: It seems that you might make an analogy in our present illusion of those who are born into extreme wealth and security.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Within the strict bounds of the simile, you are perceptive.

Questioner: We have presently an activity between physical incarnations called the healing and review of the incarnation.

Was anything of this nature occurring prior to the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. The inchoate structure of this process was always in place, but where there has been no harm there need be no healing.

This too may be seen to have been of concern to Logoi which were aware that without the need to understand, understanding would forever be left undone.

We ask your forgiveness for the use of this misnomer, but your language has a paucity of sound vibration complexes for this general concept.

Questioner: I don’t grasp too well the condition of incarnation and the time in between incarnations prior to the veil.

I do not understand what was the difference other than the manifestation of the third-density, yellowray body.

Was there any mental difference upon what we call death?

I don’t see the necessity for what we call the review of the incarnation if the consciousness was uninterrupted.

Could you clear up that point for me?

Ra: I am Ra. No portion of the Creator audits the course, to use your experiential terms.

Each incarnation is intended to be a course in the Creator knowing Itself.

A review or, shall we say, to continue the metaphoreach test is an integral portion of the process of the Creator knowing Itself

Each incarnation will end with such a test.

This is so that the portion of the Creator
may assimilate the experiences in yellow, physical, third density, 
may evaluate the biases gained, and
may then choose, either by means of automatically provided aid or by the selfthe conditions of the next incarnation.

Questioner: Before the veil, during the review of the incarnation, were the entities at that time aware that what they were trying to do was sufficiently polarize for graduation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

Questioner: Then I am assuming that this awareness was somehow reduced as they went into the yellow ray third-density incarnative state even though there was no veil.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is distinctly incorrect.

Questioner: OK.

This is the central important point.

It seems to me that if polarization was the obvious thing that more effort would have been put forward to polarize.

Let me see if I can state this differently.

Before the veil there was an awareness of the need for polarization towards service to others in third density by all entities, whether incarnate in third-density, yellowray bodies or in between incarnations.

I assume, then, that the condition of which we earlier spoke, one of wealth you might say, was present through the entire spectrum of experience whether it might be between incarnations or during incarnations and the entities just simply could not manifest the desire to create this polarization necessary for graduation.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You begin to grasp the situation.

Let us continue the metaphor of the schooling but consider the scholar as being an entity in your younger years of the schooling process.

The entity is fed, clothed, and protected regardless of whether or not the schoolwork is accomplished.

Therefore, the entity does not do the homework but rather enjoys playtime, mealtime, and vacation.

It is not until there is a reason to wish to excel that most entities will attempt to excel

Questioner: You have stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize more than 50% service-to-others to be harvestable fourth-density positive.

Was this condition the same at the time before the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process.

The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the one infinite Creator.

In your own terms at your space/time nexus
this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process
the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light.

The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light.

Between the two stairs lies the threshold.

To cross that threshold is difficult.
There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density.

The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density.

Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross.

It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

May we ask if there are any brief queries at this working?

The Law of One, Book IV, Session 83

Questioner: The thing I don’t understand is why, if there was no veil, the review of the incarnation after the incarnation would help the process since it seems to me that the entity should already be aware of what was happening.

Possibly this has to do with the nature of space/time and time/space.

Could you clear that up, please?

Ra: I am Ra. It is true that the nature of time/space is such that a lifetime may be seen whole as a book or record, the pages studied, riffled through, and re-read.

However, the value of review is that of the testing as opposed to the studying.

At the testing,
when the test is true, the distillations of all study are made clear.

During the process of study, which you may call the incarnation,
regardless of an entity’s awareness of the process taking place, the material is diffused and over-attention is almost inevitably placed upon detail.

The testing upon the cessation of the incarnative state is not that testing which involves the correct memorization of many details.

This testing is, rather, the observing of self by self, often with aid as we have said.

In this observation one sees the sum of all the detailed study; that being an attitude or complex of attitudes which bias the consciousness of the mind/body/spirit.

Questioner: Now before the veil an entity would be aware that he was experiencing a disease.

As an analogy would you give me, if you are aware of a case, a disease an entity might experience prior to the veil and how he would react to this and think about it and what effect it would have on him?

Ra: I am Ra. Inasmuch as the universe is composed of an infinite array of entities, there is also an infinity of response to stimulus.

If you will observe your peoples you will discover greatly variant responses to the same distortion towards disease.

Consequently, we cannot answer your query with any hope of making any true statements since the over-generalizations required are too capacious.

Questioner: Was there any uniformity or like functions of societies or social organizations prior to the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. The third density is, by its very fibera societal one.

There are societies wherever there are entities conscious of the self and conscious of other-selves and possessed with intelligence adequate to process information indicating the benefits of communal blending of energies.

The structures of society before as after veiling were various.

However, the societies before veiling did not depend in any case upon the intentional enslavement of some for the benefit of othersthis not being seen to be a possibility when all are seen as one.

There was, however, the requisite amount of disharmony to produce various experiments in what you may call governmental or societal structures.

Questioner: In our present illusion we have undoubtedly lost sight of the techniques of enslavement that are used since we are so far departed from the pre-veil experience.

I am sure that many of service-to-others orientation are using techniques of enslavement even though they are not aware that these are techniques of enslavement simply because they have been evolved over so long a period of time and we are so deep into the illusion.

Is this not correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.

Questioner: Then you say that there are no cases where those who are of a service-to-others orientation are using techniques of enslavement that have grown as a result of the evolution of our social structures?

Is this what you mean?

Ra: I am Ra. It was our understanding that your query concerned conditions before the veiling.

There was no unconscious slavery, as you call this condition, at that period.

At the present space/time the conditions of well-meant and unintentional slavery are so numerous that it beggars our ability to enumerate them.

Questioner: Then for a service-to-others oriented entity at this time meditation upon the nature of these little-expected forms of slavery might be productive in polarization I would think.

Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You are quite correct.

The Law of One, Book V, Fragment 54
Session 104, July 27, 1983

Questioner: Prior to the veiling process there was, I am assuming, no archetypical plan for the evolutionary process.

It was totally left up to the free will of the mind/body/spirits to evolve in any way that they desired.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

I am Ra.

We leave you in appreciation of the circumstances of the great illusion in which you now choose to play the pipe and timbrel and move in rhythm.

We are also players upon a stage.

The stage changes.
The acts ring down.
The lights come up once again.

And throughout the grand illusion and the following and the following there is the undergirding majesty of the one infinite Creator.

All is well.

Nothing is lost.

Go forth rejoicing in the love and the light, the peace and the power of the one infinite Creator.

I am Ra.


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